Pup Incus:I am Pup Incus. I am actually from Louisville, Kentucky, born and raised.
Interviewer:Okay, now I understand that currently you are the International Pup.
Pup Incus:Yes, I am the IPC, the International Puppy for this year. I will be actually stepping down in July, so I’ve got a few more months left.
Interviewer:So, tell me about that role. What does it mean to be International Puppy … IPC. What’s the C?
Pup Incus:It’s International Puppy Club.
Pup Incus:It’s a branch off. Because there’s actually two International Puppy kind of titles as it were. There’s the International Puppy and Trainer contest. So they have an IPTC International Puppy and the IPC International Puppy and we’ve decided to make sure that we put the little IPC or IPTC in front of it so people get less confused.
Interviewer:Okay. And is there an essential difference between the two or are they …
Pup Incus:There is a bit of a difference. The contest for IPTC is a lot more like a dog show, so they actually have the puppies stack, and the judges inspect how they’re stacked, and they do different tricks and stuff like that, so it’s a lot more like a dog show with humans filling the role of the dog.
IPC is a bit more kind of free-flowy. It’s almost like the hippies of the group as it were. So there’s less structure like a dog show. It’s more akin to a traditional kind of leather contest in the fact that it’s more a fantasy kind of portion of the contest, which is new this year. So it’s less dog-showy and more …
Interviewer:Okay. So how did you become involved in human pup play?
Pup Incus:That’s a long and complicated story, sometimes. I actually came into the kink world from the furry community. So being a part of the furry community, I had a fur-sona over there, which is actually a tiger, and so I started out into animal role-play as a kitty kind of role-player. I found the kink world, and also kind of developed a pony play aspect as well. And so a lot of people actually know me as Gypsy, which is more so the pony side and just kind of the regular nick-namish thing I go by.
And then, as I became kind of more involved in the kink and BDSM and more the leather scene, I had a lot of friends who were into pup play and things like that. So I became exposed to it, and it just kind of clicked one day and I’m just like, “You know what, I’m going to get down in the mosh and get with the boys and romp around with them,” and that was probably four or five years ago and stuff that I was in my first mosh. And I actually moshed, it was right after a leather contest at Mr. Midwest. I was in a leather kilt and a tank top with my hair done all pretty because that’s what girls do sometimes. And so yeah, I was down on the mats, leather kilt and everything, and had a blast doing it.
Interviewer:So it’s great to see female pups, because certainly within the circles that I hang out, there aren’t many female pups. What’s it like being on that side of the spectrum?
Pup Incus:For me, it’s sometimes challenging. It was actually really touching. One of the first few moshings that I went to, and of course years ago you really didn’t see any females, and I’m used to people being sometimes kind of stand-offish or sometimes kind of like, “I don’t know what to do,” or completely, “We’re not having any of that,” sometimes. But one of the very few moshes I was in, there was actually a pup who I was trying to engage and tossing a ball to them, and he just was kind of off on the sides and I’m trying to bring him in. And he really wasn’t having any of it, and I’m not one to push, so I went about my thing, did my thing.
Then pup actually came up to me the next day at the brunch for the event, and apologised to me. He was like, “I really want to apologise to you.” And I’m like, “For what?” And he was like, “You know, I couldn’t get over the fact that you were female and that I had never seen a female in a mosh before. I couldn’t get over my own issues and my own insecurities and my own kind of problems and engage with you, and I want to apologise because I didn’t engage with you.” I was like, oh. It really kind of hit me in the feels, as it were, and it kind of was like, oh maybe sometimes it’s not that they’re trying to be exclusionary or they’re trying to be mean about it. It’s that sometimes they just don’t know what to do or kind of how to wrap their human brains around this new thing that they’ve seen.
Interviewer:I think for many people, human pup play, there’s sexual aspects to it, and if somebody’s identifying as gay, then having a female present, it may present, I don’t know whether it’s confronting or unexpected, or different, but maybe that’s part of it?
Pup Incus:It may be part of it. A lot of the public moshes, because it’s something we see posted on Puppy 101 or brought up in discussions a lot of times, is like you know, “I’m trans,” or “I’m female,” or something other than typical gay male. And a lot of times in public moshes, it really just doesn’t matter. You’ll see the guys every once in a while kind of get on top of each other and hump for like a few quick seconds, and things go about their business, and every once in a while they kind of hump me just because they can. But it really is an interesting concept because in my head I’m like, “But I like dick just as much as the guys do.” Kind of thing.
So there’s been some times where people have had private room parties or whatever, and obviously I’m not going to impose upon their fun times and what they want to do and say, “Well you shouldn’t do that because it doesn’t include everybody.” I’m a firm believe that there’s a time and place for everything, and if people want to do that, have at it. Do what makes you happy.
Interviewer:Yep. So have you met any heterosexual males that are into pup play?
Interviewer:So where are they hiding?
Pup Incus:Actually a few. Oddly enough they hide in the gay bars with all the gay guys, which makes it really confusing for me because I don’t know who to hit on.
Yeah, actually I’ve met a few of them, and it kind of takes me back, because I’m just like, “Oh wait, wait, wait. You like tits? Hey! Hey.”
Pup Incus:Yeah, exactly, exactly. But there’s actually a lot of kind of bisexual pups as well that I’ve met here and there, so it’s interesting to find it. Maybe it’s a fault of my own, but I always kind of assume that if you’re in the gay leather bar, at the leather contest, that generally you’re going to be some spectrum of gay in general. Sometimes people are, sometimes people aren’t, so it’s always a nice surprise to be like, “Hey!”
Interviewer:Well I think it’s a fairly safe bet, isn’t it?
Pup Incus:Generally, yeah. There’s a higher percentage.
Interviewer:There does seem to be. From what I’ve noticed at Claw 16, there do seem to be a few homosexuals around.
Pup Incus:Just one or two.
Interviewer:One or two, yeah. You can spot them, you can tell.
So, what’s it like being involved in the kink world … This event is essentially a very homosexual event. What’s it like being involved in the kink world as a female who likes guys?
Pup Incus:For me, it’s interesting because I’ve always found myself to be not like everyone else in general, and I think a lot of people can say that as well. But I always tend to have a lot of abnormal friends, whether it be within the furry community, or it be in other parts and aspects of my life. So I’ve always kind of been in groups where I’m not the majority, or people like me, mostly straight female identified people. So, I’ve always kind of hung around with the outliers and the people on the fringes of things. So it’s interesting to kind of see people that are similar to me, but I really do love and appreciate all the friends that I have that aren’t normal. Normal is really for me only a setting on the dryer, and otherwise it doesn’t exist.
Interviewer:Yeah, yeah. So where do you see the moving forward with human pup play? Personally for you it’s a different experience, I imagine. Where do you see human pup play heading in the next five to 10 years?
Pup Incus:For me, I would really like to see obviously the continued expansion of pup play, but I know one of the things that [inaudible 00:09:08] have talked about is actually doing kind of more puppy events similar to an event like Claw, where there’s no contest, there’s no anything. But where there’s education and where there’s abilities for puppies from all different walks of life to be able to come together, and stuff like that. Because Rubber has different protocols and different needs and stuff like that than leather pups do, and furies have different kind of standards and things that they do, or like to enjoy, than other people do, and providing a safe space for everybody to be able to explore that would be really awesome and something that I would love to help get started for the community.
So I see it’s almost coming into its own, and really kind of becoming its own thing, its own community, its own thing where we aren’t necessarily dependent on leather bars being the only thing that kind of allows us to be us. Events like Claw that allow us some space and some time to do our thing, where we can really kind of have our own little doghouse that we can run around it.
Interviewer:Are there any resources currently for people like yourself?
Pup Incus:In regards …
Interviewer:To human pup play. So the non-gay males, what resources are available for people interested in animal role-play?
Pup Incus:A lot of it that I’ve found is actually just been taking the resources that are there, and kind of looking at it through a different lens, and it’s almost like if you wanted to do training for your puppy, you would take a bio dog training book and kind of modify it so it was applicable to a human body, and the abilities for the function. It’s almost the same thing, that regardless of gender identity, or sexual identity, you can look at a lot of the videos and resources, and have conversations with people to where it doesn’t have to be it’s own different thing. It’s no point in reinventing the wheel. But look at them through a slightly different lens and everything makes sense.
Interviewer:Absolutely. Now you’ve mentioned the furry fandom, you’ve mentioned [inaudible 00:11:29] play, you’ve mentioned human pup play. That kind of comes into my mind, people like Lillian Hunt. Do you have a particular heroes within the pup community that you’ve found have been able to help you move forward, or at least, “Yeah. I like what they’re doing. I want to follow what they’re doing.”
Pup Incus:A lot of it is, for me, just the inspiration to be. Lillian … She and I actually got to meet when I was in Portland for the Northwest Puppy Contest, which was a bucket list achievement for me, because being involved in the pony play community, I had heard of her and I had seen tyke, and I had seen her whole entourage, photos for Folsom and different things. It was very, to me, a beautiful and very, something that I was like, man that’s awesome, like if I could ever be involved in all that, that would be most awesome.
It was just kind of the thing where it was like you know, well if it’s okay for them to do it, then I can do some of that, and I can be … It was more of an inspiration just to be who I am and to accept kind of all the different parts of me and all the aspects and things like that to make it okay and to normalise it.
So there’s not particularly one person or anything that has been a specific role model. It’s interesting because I was just at Emsel a couple of weeks ago, and Vie Johnson had given the keynote, and one of the things that stated is, “We stand on the shoulders of giants.” So everyone in their journey through whatever it is, whether it be puppy play or leather, or pony, or whatever, always has those people that they look up to, and the elders in the community. Being able to now be in a place where these people have inspired me, and yet now I’m finding new people that I’m inspiring and that are kind of like, “Oh my gosh, it’s you, and you’ve said hi to me.” And I’m like, “But I’m just me. Oh you’re so sweet!”
But it really isn’t one particular person. There’s a lot of people and a lot of names I can name off, and things like that. But a lot of people don’t know or realise the assistance or the help or what they did actually changed something in me, or made me think about something differently. So it’s a lot of internal monologing and a lot of internal processing, and so a simple action, seeing someone do can kind of go, “Hm.” And I’m off on this little thought train, and it helps to be able to see and be out in the community and see things and experience things.
Interviewer:I think that’s wonderful. So if somebody wanted to get in contact with you, what’s the easiest way for them to do that?
Pup Incus:It’s actually firstname.lastname@example.org or on my Facebook, if you search Pup Incus, it’s actually a public figure page that I have there, and you can send me a message on there if you want to connect.
Interviewer:And just in wrapping up, do you have a message out there for female pups, or for anybody?
Pup Incus:Yeah, exactly there’s a lot of people. Honestly one of the big reasons that I ran, and I told all the judges ahead of time, win or loose, for me I wanted to make sure that people knew that this community would accept you. Because I came in very nervous, very, “I don’t know if anybody’s going to like me. I don’t know if they’re going to be okay with me.” And the love and support from this community that I’ve gotten, I wanted to make sure that people understood that that was going to be something that they could experience, and you didn’t have to be the stereotype to be a part of the community, to make a different, to go out and volunteer at something, and to help out, or to just even stand as a wallflower and watch things happen.
You don’t have to be like everybody else, that you can be free to be yourself and to be who you want to be and how you want to be, and that there’s lots of love and lots of education and lots opportunities and fun to be had in this community, and I greatly encourage people to come out and at least make some connections, make a friend or two, share some fun times, and if it’s for you then keep going, if it’s not then that’s okay, too.
Interviewer:That’s fantastic. Thank you so much for your participation.
Pup Incus:Yes. Thank you, thank you.