Interviewer:I met you yesterday and I was automatically fascinated by what you had said, in that you introduced yourself by a nontraditional name.
Interviewer:Can you introduce yourself please?
Pup Kase:Pup Kase, or also legally known as 581858158.
Interviewer:I don’t know many people who are named by numbers. What’s the story with that?
Pup Kase:When I was 18, I whole heartedly entered into the leather scene, a leather dog. I was owned by contract at that time, and they had power of attorney, everything over me, since I was owned. They changed one of my birth certificates, a change of name to that, so my name was taken from me and I was given my number, and I still identify with the number to this day. On the back of all my tags, I still have … it’s been a while. Have my number on there with my name, so I still identify with it.
Interviewer:And that’s your slave registry number?
Interviewer:Okay. How does an 18-year-old come to be sold as slave?
Pup Kase:In my previous life, I was a professional dancer, so I was on the road quite a lot. I came out at a very young age and probably when I was 14 or so. Yeah, I left home at 16, was on my own for the rest of the world. It’s a lifestyle that really interested me, and I jumped in with both feet. Yeah.
Interviewer:What did it give you?
Pup Kase:That’s a hard question for me because at that point in my life it gave me more of a … not necessarily a meaning, because I’ve always been very self-confident and self-aware and self-validated, for a lack of a better word. But for me, it gave me an option and an opportunity to give back, almost, and turn off my self-validation and the need for me to be okay with myself.
Interviewer:So it was almost like a diffusion of ego?
Pup Kase:Yeah, yeah, that’d be accurate.
Interviewer:What was it like to be 18 and betrothed to … was it one person or many people?
Pup Kase:It was one person. It was a contractual agreement, so it was a legally binding contract, in theory. In practise, who knows but everything I was able to do was dictated in the contract. If it wasn’t specifically in the contract, I wasn’t allowed to it. I was, again, not able to stand in the presence of my sir. Didn’t speak. If I was asked a question, I had to communicate with whatever I could without the words unless I was asked specifically to use my words. That was different. Again, I wasn’t allowed on furniture, so that’s why it’s kind of odd for me to sit on furniture in someone else’s home besides my own. It’s even in just waiting in different places in the house I was placed or told to go. There was different positions I was placed in so far as my attention and what my service was at the time.
Interviewer:Many people would feel scared or frightened to be in a situation like that. But I do sense that talking with slaves, it offers them a sense of safety and security.
Interviewer:Is that the experience you had?
Pup Kase:Very much so. That’s kind of why I came into the whole pup thing, is because, again, I was … my validation from my serve was just scritches behind the ear. I wasn’t allowed to use words. “Ruff, ruff” was my communication. And again, that’s kind of how I started into the whole pup thing. That was 1990 or so, so that was kind of pre-official pupping, so that’s why I kind of associated more as a leather dog, as opposed to one of the new-school pups. But yeah, so for me it was just one of those things where it was kinda led out that way.
Interviewer:So I suppose it’s going to be a different scene for you because you were in a quite structured situation. But what was it like in the pup scene in the commerce back then?
Pup Kase:Pups were service animals, basically. Footstool, fetching things, cute little thing in the corner, objects of degradation, for lack of a better word, but I never felt degraded. My pup name, Pup Kase, was given to me as a degradation.
Interviewer:How is Kase degrading?
Pup Kase:That was my father’s name. My father is adopted. It was his pre-adoption name. They referred to me as Kase to make me think of my father in sexual situations to kind of desexualize, as kind of a turnoff, because every time I was called Kase, I’m like, “Ah, Dad.” So that was how that came about.
Interviewer:Given that it was a contract that was binding in senses, whether legal or not, it sounds like it was an instructive contract, in as much that it told you what you could and could not do. Were there protections in place for you as well?
Pup Kase:Yes. From the outside it may not look like it, but from the inside there were. He had power of attorney over me. He had medical power of attorney, so on and so forth. But in return, I was guaranteed safety, shelter, food, care, all that kind of stuff. And that’s what I had with my first serve. I was sold to another serve who did not believe that way, and my contract with him was more not permission giving, as opposed to restriction. You can’t XYZ, so on and so forth, as opposed to telling me what I can do. As a pup at that time, I was not happy, so on and so forth, so much like a destructive little pup around the house, I made myself unwanted. So I was sold again to someone else who was able to care.
Interviewer:That’s an interesting thing, isn’t it? That if you were sold as a slave to, essentially, a boss you didn’t like, how do you get out of a contract like that?
Pup Kase:That is basically your commitment. So as a … I hate to say it, old guard dog and high-protocol dog, it’s one of those things where I put on that piece of paper, “This is what I give,” in return for what I got. I just, again, having a sir I didn’t like, again, I would be destructive around the house and make myself. And I suffered consequences a lot for it, but yeah.
Interviewer:The ultimate outcome was, you were hoping for, and it sounds like you achieved, is you become undesired and therefore passed on.
Pup Kase:Right, yeah.
Interviewer:I don’t know many people who’d be willing to take on that commitment these days. Where are you in the situation now?
Pup Kase:I have a handler and husband of 16 years now. I’m an alpha of my pack in Atlanta. So it’s, yeah, it’s good.
Interviewer:What happened to the contract? Where’s that now?
Pup Kase:Those contracts fulfilled their time. When I-
Interviewer:Those were time-based.
Pup Kase:Yeah. I was owned for X amount of time each time I was sold. The longer the commitment was there, on my aspect, the more I got out of it. So if it was just a one-year contract, home and food, not much else. But my 10-year contract, obviously I had medical care, just being well taken care of and not needing for anything that I couldn’t provide on my own, within the stipulations of the contract. But for now, we’re not contractual. I am collared. And this is my first time off-leash in 16 years because he’s not here. It’s been a challenge.
Interviewer:Yeah, I was gonna say, if you’re used to being cared for in quite a well-bounded way, what’s it like to be free, emancipated?
Pup Kase:Don’t like it. I don’t like it at all.
Interviewer:Don’t like it.
Pup Kase:Not at all, at all. Even listening to some of the people talk today, and I was just watching a handler and his pup talk, and I almost had to leave the room.
Interviewer:Why was that?
Pup Kase:Even right now, just talking about it, because I have that. I have everything I want in it, and I want for nothing. To want for things that are physical things and stuff like that, in my opinion, is the wrong direction in life. And it’s just home, care, love, family, all that kind of stuff, that’s what it’s about and I don’t have that here this weekend. I have a lot of people from Atlanta here, and my handler definitely said keep an eye on me. Every so often, just, you know, and all my pack has been checking in with me, so on and so forth, so yeah.
Interviewer:What’s it like? When you look at the pup scene today, what do you feel? What’s your general impression?
Pup Kase:Again, coming from a high-protocol dog into what pup community is today, it’s not leather scene. It’s not BDSM scene. It’s its own thing, which is fantastic. It’s fun to interject the different aspects of the pups together. Again, high-protocol dog mixing with some 20-year-old, doesn’t have any gear. He’s just happy to wag his tail and bark. It’s amazing just to see that we can hang out together and have that common, “Hey, it’s all right. It’s all right.”
Interviewer:What do you think that you have to give to the pup community today?
Pup Kase:My contractual answer would be, “Nothing because I am just me.” However, personally, because I’m out of contract, it’s more of, I like to lead my pack by example. However, I do have some old guard things that I do with them. But personally, I like to just say, “It’s okay. You know, you can be you. You can be perfectly fine with it, perfectly content and self-validated.” I don’t need someone to tell me I’m okay, because I’m just okay. That’s the way it is.
I treat my pack that way, and it’s nice to see and have someone follow me because they want to, not because I’m telling them to. My entire pack knows, at any given time, if they’re not happy and we can’t resolve it, they’re welcome to go away with all complete love and respect. But again, for me, I just like to lead by example and just be that voice and that person, an older dog. I’m 45 years old. I’m not one of the cute little ones running around and scampering and going, “Eh he he.” No, I’m not that dog. I’m like, “Oh, [inaudible 00:12:31] floors. God bless it.” But yeah, it’s just …
Pup Kase:Yeah. It is a lot of work. It’s good work. It’s fun work. Again, I was, just coming into this knowing there’s a lot of junior dogs and all that kinda stuff, I was a little panicked over that because that’s not what I’m used to. But it’s really fun. It’s been really fun.
Interviewer:If there was one thing from the old that you would like to share with the pups of today, what would that one thing be?
Pup Kase:That would be basically, in my opinion, just respect everyone. Just because you’re a pup doesn’t mean it’s okay to be a jerk, doesn’t mean it’s okay to be, “Oh, I’m a pup. It’s okay. I’m gonna bit you now. Ha ha ha, that’s cute.” No, it’s not. You’re a pup. Respect yourself. And again, just show that behaviour to get what you want. Because if you walk into a room and randomly start biting people and smacking people with your tail, they’re not gonna like you and you’re gonna get some repercussion of it.
One big thing that we have that people have been saying lately is freedom of speech, but freedom of speech does not relinquish the consequences. So you can speak, yes. You can come in as a pup and be bitten and all that kinda stuff, but mind you, peer pressure’s a good thing. Because if I walk up to you and say, “No,” even in full dog, all that kinda stuff, if you’re disrespecting and not behaving in a space that doesn’t know you, I’m gonna say, “No.”
Interviewer:Yeah, and you need to honour that.
Interviewer:If you’re gonna be disrespectful, then there are consequences for that.
Pup Kase:Exactly. Yeah. You can speak all you want. You can do whatever you want. However, doesn’t mean there’s no consequences.
Interviewer:That’s amazing. What a fascinating perspective to get. I’m so thrilled that I’ve had this chance to speak with you. If somebody wanted to speak with you, is there a way that they could contact you?
Pup Kase:Yeah, most social media, Pup Kase, P-U-P-K-A-S-E. That’s most social media. Whatever works for you, from WhatsApp to Twitter to Facebook and all that kinda stuff, and then we can go from there.
Interviewer:Fantstic. Thank you so much. That’s amazing.